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Patrick1962 - Posted - 07/18/2024: 17:35:14
So I know that if you move the F shape/chord up to the 3rd fret you get a G chord. In what situations would you use this over the simpler open G?
Nic Pennsylvania - Posted - 07/18/2024: 17:37:43
Playing backup, for one. Also, because the triad is stacked differently...
Nic Pennsylvania - Posted - 07/18/2024: 17:40:32
Where you place the chord on the neck, plus the order of the notes will all effect the way it is heard. I know a series of licks based on the D shape. I can play the same thing using the barre shape, but the fingering is different.
banjo bill-e - Posted - 07/18/2024: 18:06:40
With a "closed" chord shape it is easy to do rhythmic "chops."
Patrick1962 - Posted - 07/18/2024: 18:12:55
Nic- ok, so Im not sure Im understanding you correctly..are you saying that you shouldn't play open G when doing backup? From my limited understanding a G major consists of G, B, and D but Ive seen how with different shapes sometimes you will have 2 G's with a B and D or 2 D's with a G and B and Ive noticed that the open G doesn't sound exactly like the F shape G..is that what you mean?
Bruce Berry Banjos - Posted - 07/18/2024: 18:33:58
Not being sarcastic here, but it's the same reason you have frets all the way up the neck...
Grabbing tones from different registers adds another dimension to work with.
Go up four more frets, swap your index and middle finger on the 2nd 3rd string positions and you've got another G there. Use them all.
Nic Pennsylvania - Posted - 07/18/2024: 18:38:36
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Originally posted by Patrick1962
Nic- ok, so Im not sure Im understanding you correctly..are you saying that you shouldn't play open G when doing backup? From my limited understanding a G major consists of G, B, and D but Ive seen how with different shapes sometimes you will have 2 G's with a B and D or 2 D's with a G and B and Ive noticed that the open G doesn't sound exactly like the F shape G..is that what you mean?
It's not that you can't or shouldn't, but like Bill writes - closed chord shapes can be muted for a more percussive backup.
Patrick1962 - Posted - 07/18/2024: 20:06:02
ok cool..I get it..so its kinda personal preference depending on how you want a particular song to sound?
Old Hickory - Posted - 07/18/2024: 20:52:28
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Originally posted by Patrick1962
ok cool..I get it..so its kinda personal preference depending on how you want a particular song to sound?
Yes. And how you want it to sound at a particular time.
Context is everything.
banjoy - Posted - 07/19/2024: 04:26:10
Yes, context is king. And having more choices. Kind of like a visual artist, there are many shades of color, and lots of room between black and white.
Here is a tutorial I posted to BHO some years ago to help learn the fingerboard. Listen to the audio files I included in the opening post. They are all the same notes in each example, but stack order is quite different up and down the neck. You can hear for yourself how that affects color.
banjohangout.org/topic/361633
Patrick1962 - Posted - 07/19/2024: 05:39:16
Thanks for clearing that up you all
RB3 - Posted - 07/19/2024: 05:42:15
Many of the notes you play can be played at several different string/fret locations on the fingerboard. Which of those string/fret locations you use to play a particular note will be greatly affected by what you did before you play that note and what you intend to do after you play that note. The same is true for sequences of notes. You can play the same sequence using different left hand forms at different locations. Which you use will be affected by what you do before and after.
Edited by - RB3 on 07/19/2024 05:46:46
Wyrd - Posted - 07/19/2024: 08:55:59
Practically, it can also be easier to go from that shape and location to your next chord as well (depending on the song, of course).
Laurence Diehl - Posted - 07/19/2024: 09:31:55
Patrick, I think it should be clear that moving around the fingerboard with speed and accuracy using the three major and three minor shapes are an essential practice. In fact, after you leave the fifth fret(where the money is), this is how you “play the banjo”.
Patrick1962 - Posted - 07/19/2024: 16:53:50
This is awesome! Thanks everybody!
Patrick1962 - Posted - 07/19/2024: 17:32:36
Lawrence- I haven't gotten to the minor or 7th shapes yet but getting close. I do the F and D along with A barre, Am 3 finger,
B barre, C 3finger, C7 4 finger, Dm 3 finger, E 3 finger, Em 2 finger, and G7 2 finger. I do the following chord progressions:
G-F-C-G
G-D-C-G
E-A-B-E
Em-C-Am-D
G-G7-C-C7
I occasionally noodle around with different ways to do G-C-D with the F, D, and Barre shapes. I am so close to getting them all smooth and when I do I will expand out from there moving the F, D and Barre shapes up and down the neck and getting the minor and 7th shapes down. Any suggestions on any other helpful chord progressions from you or any of the other exp players/teachers here would be greatly appreciated especially if it includes Dm 3finger or Bm 3 finger. I know those but they weren't used in my book
Laurence Diehl - Posted - 07/19/2024: 18:06:22
Good for you! I would just add that I rarely use four finger chords. It’s mostly the top three strings and often just the top two (which would be partial chords). This is when you’re soloing, backup is a bit different.
